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 Wednesday, 05 January 2005
Wednesday, 05 January 2005 20:10:32 (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00) ( )

From The Edge article I mentioned earlier today:

Carlo Rovelli

“Rationality and instinct of collaboration have already given us large regions and long periods of peace and prosperity. Ultimately, they will lead us to a planet without countries, without wars, without patriotism, without religions, without poverty, where we will be able to share the world. Actually, maybe I am not sure I truly believe that I believe this; but I do want to believe that I believe this.“


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Wednesday, 05 January 2005 20:49:22 (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
But...God told me that America is the best country, and if other's don't agree, they should be shot. God also told me that since he loves America more than anyone else, we have the right to run the world. Obviously, this Rovelli guy is some sort of wacko terrorist who hates America.
The Evil Cub
Wednesday, 05 January 2005 20:56:12 (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
Without countries? Wouldn’t that preclude the existence of government? I was always under the impression that government was a necessary evil.

Without poverty? hmmm...Wouldn't that all depend on how one defines poverty? If poverty is always defined relative to mean wealth of the given society, then there will always be impoverished.
Wednesday, 05 January 2005 23:44:14 (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
This is Roddenberry's future too you know. The one he chose to portray in ST:TNG. And, like the esteemed scientist I quoted here, he backed off in subsequent seasons because people just couldn't stomach the idea of such a wonderful ideal.

The flipside is portrayed in some of the societies that Roddenberry put into ST:TOS, where Kirk "rescued" the people from dark perfection. Another fictional dark side example is in the Matrix. The Architect said that the first Matrix was so perfect it couldn't survive. People rejected its perfection.

On the other hand, in the "Adventures of Ruby", Meatball Fulton explores the idea in the form of the Aurorians - a race who'd evolved beyond the need for work or government, where their people pursued that which made each individual most fulfilled.

If our goal is not to better ourselves and our world, then what's the point of being here in the first place? To eat, shit and breed? There has to be a higher calling than that.

Whether attainable or not, Rovelli's statement is a wonderful goal to work toward. I'd rather set my sights high and miss, than settle for less than humanity can achieve.
Thursday, 06 January 2005 12:44:40 (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
The only things I would do with that (1)replace patriotism (loving your country) with jingoism (thinking your country can do no wrong)...and important distinction, as it seems way too many people confuse the two. And (2) I'd say we'd live in a world without war and poverty (people unable to meet their human needs due to want and deprivation is, I think, the common understanding of what poverty is...although, I suppose you can debate the "meaning" of any word) and without division due to countries and religion.

Anyway, obviously pie-in-the-sky...but gave me a good feeling to imagine, just for a moment that we could do it.

Makes me think of Rush's song "Earthshine" -- "A jewel out of reach? Or a dream to rise to?"

And anyway, I personally am just trying to get through this life as the best person I can be for myself...but wouldn't it be nice if you could also contribute to the world getting a little closer to that ideal?

Saturday, 08 January 2005 13:30:27 (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
What he was talking about also reminded me of the society depicted in 'Steel Beach' by John Varley. Most people do the jobs they feel a passion for, not just something to get by. Plus lots of other cool stuff happens (T-Rex riding! Gratuitous Heinlein references!)
The Evil Cub
Saturday, 08 January 2005 23:14:00 (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
oooohhh...gratuitous Heinlein referances...must read!

Heinlein gooood...

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