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 Monday, February 28, 2005
Monday, February 28, 2005 10:24:49 AM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00) ( )
In a recent post on social security reform I found this nugget in the analysis:
 
"To bring a little realism to the issue let's assume the taxpayer is an uneducated dock worker at LA -Long Beach Harbor and makes $120,000 a year. That his wife works as an administrative assistant who makes $60,000 a year."
Now I realize that the cost of living, and thus wages, are higher on the coasts than in the bulk of the US. But if uneducated dock workers are pulling down $120k then I think I wasted my time in college.
 
Recent salary surveys show that people in the IT and computer programming areas - even in LA - don't make anywhere near $120k. The average in LA is closer to $75K.
 
This means that uneducated dock workers are making an average of $45k more than a computer professional with a four year college degree.
 
My guess (just a guess mind you) is that the average dock worker doesn't actually pull down $120k. That the "realism" is just a touch less realistic than the author would like us to believe...
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Monday, February 28, 2005 10:58:39 AM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
I would agree, but I remember some show (may have been on the Discovery channel) where they were talking about docks and the fact that dock workers have one of the riskiest jobs in America, which ~may~ be where the dollar value you saw is coming from. The show didn't state what they make, though, and just because a job is dangerous doesn't mean it pays well, but...something to keep in mind.
Monday, February 28, 2005 11:28:13 AM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
I recently heard from someone that the people who empty and repair septic tanks make a little over $100k (here in the South). But I agree that the "realism" is ironic. Maybe he should have picked the school cafeteria assistant making $13,000.
Monday, February 28, 2005 12:38:33 PM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
I live in Long Beach, CA and work in Los Angeles, so I think I know how much people earn (I also can look stuff up on the web)...

I copied this from CIO magazine:

"with workers down at the docks now earning as much as six figures—$82,895 for class A longshore workers, $118,444 for clerks and $157,352 for foremen. "

Here's the URL to the source article:

http://www.cio.com/archive/120102/tl_dock.html

I'm pretty sure those figures are fairly accurate. However, those jobs are VERY hard to get. Just to get in the union to get a shot at those jobs is a 5 year waiting list. And when you get in the union, it can take another 5 years to get to work full time. So don't all quit your jobs trying to get these jobs. Also the union had over 100,000 applications for about 3,000 openings last year. Yah, the jobs pay well, but your winning the lottery in getting one.

What I have a problem with is the administrative assistant making $60,000. Unless they work for a movie studio they probably only make $30,000 to $40,000.

As for IT professionals in Southern California, we make a little less (but within about 5K) than you think (with about 7 years experience), less with less experience, probably more with more (although those jobs are hard to find.

Just thought I would provide some facts.
Monday, February 28, 2005 2:56:31 PM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
Thank you for fact-checking. I must say I'm amazed at how much a dock worker makes, but if it is as dangerous as it sounds then the wage is probably justified.

It does help reinforce why computer jobs are being billed as requiring low expertise and thus can be offshored without a thought. Shipping the low-paying computer jobs overseas and keeping the hard labor jobs in the US is obviously a much better proposition from a tax-base perspective.
Monday, February 28, 2005 4:55:19 PM (Central Standard Time, UTC-06:00)
There is one thing good about those dock worker jobs. As more and more jobs are outsourced overseas, all that stuff has to come in to the U.S. somehow. It unless it's code, or something else that can be sent electronically, it most likely will come in by ship. Since most things are outsourced to the far east (accept for the stuff going to India) it will almost all come in through West Coast ports. The Los Angeles / Long Beach port handles more container traffic than any other port in the country (I think it's 10% to 20% of the nation's container traffic comes through the ports of Long Beach / Los Angeles), and it's just going to get busier.
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